Is this a scam? - Purchase request from India Company

[shinyu]

Hello members, I've got this email requesting a purchase, but before I take further actions with them, I want to double check on them to see whether they are real or 'fake'?

I've had a initial check up on them, they are listed on a few B2B websites, and also is a gold supplier + A＆V checked supplier on Alibaba (but I dont really know whether its trustable!)

Please assist, MANY THANKS!!

Category: Minerals & Metallurgy - Iron
Region: India R J S TRADING CO.
Link Tool: India Minerals & Metallurgy - India Iron
Tags: ferro manganese - ferro silicon - j s trading co
Contact Person: Mr. Sivakumaran Ayyavu
Zip Code: 641038
Website: http://www.rjstraing.co.in / http://www.rjs-group.com
Address: # 36 / 147, Palani Swamy Street, Saibaba Colony, Coimbatore, Tam
Telephone: 91-989-4027579
Fax: 91-422-3047579
Google Map: R J S TRADING CO. Map

[mysteryquest]

Hello shinyu and welcome to AFI. Could you post the contents of the actual email you received being careful to delete your personal information?

[shinyu]

Thanks for your kind suggest Mysteryquest, mail as below:-

> VARRSHINI ENTERPRISES sent you a message:
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> Subject: Stainless Steel Ingots
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> Dear Sir / Madam,
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> We would like to introduce ourselves as one among the well-reputed organization involved in the field of Foundry and Alloys Raw materials. We also deal with Import Scrap. We have good business contacts with alloys people in all over India.
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> We came to know that you are Produce and Exporting Stainless Steel Ingots, We are interested to buy Ingots ( SS 304 / 316)by container.
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> kindly quote your best CIF Nava Sheva port price and Delivery schedule with your terms.
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> Assuring sure of our best cooperation at all times.
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> Awaiting for your early action in the above.
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> Best Regards,
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> A.Sivakumaran
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> info@rjstrading.co.in
>

[Sphinx]

You're in Taiwan right? Why would you buy steel from India?

[shinyu]

Sphnix,
Actually they are wanting to buy, so I want to confirm whether its real company or scam? ^^

[Sphinx]

Okay, reverse the question, why would they buy steel from you?

[shinyu]

Sphnix, I guess it all goes back to supply and demand.
Any suggestions about the question posted? thanks

[Zzbyrd]

Is this the email he used to contact you with; info@rjstrading.co.in?

If you Google your contact phone number, you will find that it leads to this other company;

http://www.tootoo.com/d-cu11960627-Varrshini_Enterprises/

The phone number itself is that of a mobile phone and not a landline.

[Zzbyrd]

Sphnix, I guess it all goes back to supply and demand.
Any suggestions about the question posted? thanks

Yes shinyu, one suggestion would be that you hire a due diligence firm to do this work for you. I've explained before that we are not professionals, but volunteers who try and point to signs of fraud. While doing this, we hope that the members questioning us will learn and begin doing the work by themselves. I have not seen this sign in your posts so far, even though I showed you the basic steps of spotting scams a few times already.

[shinyu]

Dodobird,
I got this companies request via B2B website (http://www.exporters.sg),
info@rjstrading.co.in is the email this company provided for contact within the email he sent.
Looks ambiguous, but its a gold supplier + A＆V checked supplier, so I kinda dont know whether its real or not.

Much thanks^^

[mysteryquest]

Unfortunately, Alibaba has many scammers utilizing its services, so there is no assurance that a company posting on there is authentic. If they are scammers, they might wish to pay via a counterfeit check. Do you know how to access the headers in the email that was sent to you? The domain rjstrading.co.in was registered on 4-May-2010 for four years. Most scammers only register a fake website for one year because there is a good possibility it will removed for abuse long before a year is up. However, this is NO guarantee that the website and company are legitimate or that the domain and website actually belong to the person who sent you the email.

[Sapphire's Strike]

Look at the website and the contact details and compare them to those details you have:

http://www.rjs-group.com/query.html

Contact Details
RJS Trading Co.
Mr. Sivakumaran Ayyavu
SF No. 71, AG Street,, Vellakinar
Coimbatore, Tamil Nadu - 641 029, India
Email : rjstradingco@vsnl.net, office@rjstrading.co.in
Telephone : +(91)-(422)-2648579/ 2645799
Mobile : +(91)-9894027579
Fax : +(91)-(422)-2645799

[shinyu]

Mysteryquest, can you teach me how to check the 'The domain rjstrading.co.in was registered on 4-May-2010 for four years'.
Thanks

[Sapphire's Strike]

Hello members, I've got this email requesting a purchase, but before I take further actions with them, I want to double check on them to see whether they are real or 'fake'?

I've had a initial check up on them, they are listed on a few B2B websites, and also is a gold supplier + A＆V checked supplier on Alibaba (but I dont really know whether its trustable!)

Please assist, MANY THANKS!!

Category: Minerals & Metallurgy - Iron
Region: India R J S TRADING CO.
Link Tool: India Minerals & Metallurgy - India Iron
Tags: ferro manganese - ferro silicon - j s trading co
Contact Person: Mr. Sivakumaran Ayyavu
Zip Code: 641038
Website: http://www.rjstraing.co.in / http://www.rjs-group.com
Address: # 36 / 147, Palani Swamy Street, Saibaba Colony, Coimbatore, Tam
Telephone: 91-989-4027579
Fax: 91-422-3047579
Google Map: R J S TRADING CO. Map

Note that the site address is www.rjstraining.co.in and not www.rjstraing.co.in as stated above - another Red Flag

[shinyu]

Thanks Sapphire's Strike, I will take further actions in confirm those details.
^^

[mysteryquest]

Dodobird,
I got this companies request via B2B website (http://www.exporters.sg),
info@rjstrading.co.in is the email this company provided for contact within the email he sent.
Looks ambiguous, but its a gold supplier + A＆V checked supplier, so I kinda dont know whether its real or not.

Much thanks^^

We are not in a position to offer an opinion as to the authenticity of any company. We look for obvious signs of a scam which might show up in a Google search of the email address, telephone number, name of the company, etc. We also tend to be able to recognize certain indicators of a scam. However, we can not guarantee that a company is authentic! As Dodobird states, you would need to hire a professional to do due diligence on the company.

[shinyu]

thanks for the kind suggestion, Myesteryquest.
How to check the domain registration date and period?

[mysteryquest]

http://centralops.net/co/

Go the above website and click on Domain Dossier to check the domain registration. You can also check email addresses.

[Templar]

http://www.rjstraing.co.in - Site offline, may be used or emails only

http://www.rjs-group.com - * May be Viral

I would not deal if I were you.

[Gentle Giant]

Sphnix, I guess it all goes back to supply and demand.
Any suggestions about the question posted? thanks
The economics of the whole thing don't make any sense. As previously discussed elsewhere, the shipping costs on steel are going to eat up any profit margin they might have in buying from you and shipping it from Taiwan. Steel is heavy and that means putting it on a boat from point A to point B and that isn't cheap to do.

And as above, please stay away from the website.

[mysteryquest]

http://www.rjstraing.co.in - Site offline, may be used or emails only

http://www.rjs-group.com - * May be Viral

I would not deal if I were you.

Templar is correct. It's unusual for a company to give out two domain (website) urls. Many times scammers register a domain name and only use it to send out emails. Those email addresses appear more legitimate than a free email address. Also, it is very important to access the headers on the email. That would tell where it originated from and it may not have come from the website. Some scammers simply cite a legitimate website though it does not belong to them hoping that you will reply to the fake email address they have supplied. Apart from payment with a counterfeit check, where scammer hopes that the check is good enough to fool the bank long enough for you to ship the goods, there is the possibility that they may request advance fees which can be just about anything, bribes, government payments, kickbacks. These fees would be requested before any transaction would take place and they would likely insist on them being sent via Western Union/Money Gram or even bank to bank transfer. Do not send any advance fees under any circumstances.

GG is right as concerns the economics of this transaction. One of the reasons they may be seeking to buy a commodity so far from their own country is to ensure that there is a jurisdictional barrier to any potential prosecution should they succeed in scamming you. If you need assistance in getting the headers please pm me or another member.

[ireneouy]

Dodobird,
I got this companies request via B2B website (http://www.exporters.sg),
info@rjstrading.co.in is the email this company provided for contact within the email he sent.
Looks ambiguous, but its a gold supplier + A＆V checked supplier, so I kinda dont know whether its real or not.

We have checked out hundreds of companies in China,some of the companies , even the gold members of Alibaba(B2B website) turned out to be a business scammer. so be careful doing business with foreign companies.
ask them for the exact contact information,and the most important ,trade reference.