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  1. #1
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    Important note on Electronic and phone emails

    You will find many businesses on the Internet (including B2B sites such as Alibaba.com and on eBay) that offer mobile phones, notebook computers and other electronic products are very low prices. You should be aware that many of them are fraudulent.

    Most fraudulent mobile phone sellers are not actual registered businesses. They have no offices, no warehouses, no accounts. They are just a bunch of guys with cellphones. All names and postal addresses are fake. The whole purpose of the fake companies is to trick people into sending cash or providing credit card details, without ever shipping any products to the customers.

    The criminals are taking advantage of the fact that there is a serious lack of law enforcement resources targetted at small scale online fraud. If you have lost less than $5,000-10,000 the police would rather not even open a file on your case. Don't expect serious action unless the damage is much higher. This legal mess comes as a shock to many victims, but it's the current reality.

    The fake stores listed here are primarily run by gangs from Nigeria, Romania and Russia. In some cases the only indication of where the criminals are is the country where the bank account is based, which may be different from the address claimed for the company. Here are some simple rules to follow if you don't want to get burnt:

    Important Note before buying electronics and mobile phones.

    1. Never pay for online purchases by Western Union wire transfer (no exceptions)! It doesn't matter where the store claims to be based: Once you send money
    it can be picked up anywhere in the recipient's country, with no way of tracing the person who picked it up

    2. never pay by bank wire transfer into a bank account in a name other than the name of the business or in a country other than where the store claims to be based (e.g. UK company, Spanish account or German company, Dutch account).

    3.Beware if the seller uses a free webmail account (Hotmail, Yahoo, etc) or if the company's main phone number is a mobile phone (Spain: +34-6xx, UK: +44-70xx, +44-87xx, Nigeria: +234 80x) or if it shares the same number for the phone and fax

    4. Beware if a seller doesn't have his own website or uses a free webhosting site

    5. Beware if the business has its own site, but the domain was created less than three months ago

    6. Search for the name of the company on Google. Search for the phone number too, some of the frauds get reincarnated with a new company name but still using the same mobile phone.

    7. Beware of prices that are too low and/or free shipping and/or worldwide on-site service. Legitimate businesses need to pay suppliers, rent, taxes etc. and still make a profit. They won't underprice the nearest competitor by 30% or 50%, if they can also get the sale by being only 5-10% cheaper. In the real world international shipping is expensive and so is on-site service.

    8. Don't buy mobile phones and other electronic equipment from a supplier in Nigeria unless you actually live there. Nigeria does not manufacture high-tech electronic equipment. All such goods have to be imported first and its ports and airports are notoriously inefficient.

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    Company registration number that will be given belongs to companies in United Kingdom You can validate the Company Registration Number by sending email to [office@ukdata.com] who will confirm if the seller is real or another scammer !!

    If a scammer is able to give you the company registration number, also ask for the UK VAT Number if the company exist in UK and scammer will then search for a VAT Number on the internet and pass it over to you. You need to take that VAT Number and do a Google search and chances are high that you will find one. To find out if the VAT Number does belong to the real company, then email the following people to find out: [Phishing@hmrc.gsi.gov.uk]

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    Buying from China?

    Buying from China?

    There are thousands of people out there who believe they can buy cheap brand name electronics and textiles from the other side of the planet as easily as they go grocery shopping. Believe it or not. As far as I know (I should mention that I am not in this business myself so I'm no authority) the idea that you can always get the latest Nokia/Sony/Apple gadget cheap from China is just a dumb get-rich-quick myth that gets thousands of people scammed. There is no such thing as cheap branded electronics from China, but there are hundreds of scam sites feeding off this dumb myth. The chance that the one you found is real is practically zero, all other things being equal.



    If you are looking to do business in China (or anywhere else for that matter) you actually need to learn something about international trade, about the market you are entering, and especially how to make sure you get what you pay for. This is not necessarily easy, it is not something we do on this forum, and it is not something we can provide advice on.
    What we can do is provide a forum for people to share experiences and opinions, and we can help you recognise common scams. But frankly, if you intend to start a business importing from China then this is something you really need to learn to do yourself. There are also plenty of companies you can hire to do this for you, which is probably the easiest way, here are a few possibilities. Two forums that could be more appropriate for an aspiring internet trader is www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk and http://resources.alibaba.com/discuss..._Diligence.htm

    As for the common scams you will find in China, the most popular is of course websites selling all kinds of brand name consumer electronics at below market prices. These are always fraudulent, and they operate on most B2B and auction sites. Here was a small collection of them. You can find some pointers here on how to recognise them. Some of them like to excuse themselves with that the goods got stuck in customs somewhere, or just send a fake Nike shoe regardless of what you order. Some will send non-working tracking numbers. The city of Putian, and the Fujian district, is somewhat infamous for fraud both in China and internationally. It's possible to find plenty of scam companies from this area, many of their websites advertise fake Nike shoes in combination with electronics.

    Many of these scammers go around spamming eBay traders who are usually the primary targets, some examples are here.

    All Chinese sites selling all kinds of designer clothing will only deliver counterfeit items. Some of them will freely admit this, others will not. Many of these will also scam you, sometimes only depending on which salesperson you are talking to. These companies are operating outside of the law already so they have little incentive to actually deliver anything, and frankly it's a lot easier to just scam people. They know you can't really complain either way, as long as you realized the goods were fake. Trading in counterfeit items is after all not legal. You may get your items seized by customs and face legal action. Seeing the difference between a fake faker and a "real" one is often very difficult as the fakers use similar methods as the scammers to stay anonymous. Either way, I'm not personally interested in the difference, and I have no wish to assist people with this type of business. We have no way of knowing if people will try to pass these items off as authentic or not. We have a long list here of sites suspected of being scams or selling fakes.

    Many other types of counterfeit items can also be found in China, e.g. memory chips, golf clubs, Ipods and mobile phones (often including models that have yet to be released). They will always claim that the quality is "AAA+" which can mean half of them are broken. If they claim that the items are authentic the price will often be thereafter as well, but you will still only receive fake junk. Don't expect them to honor any guarantees they give you unless you have the resources to hire a couple of Chinese lawyers to go after them. You really need to check them out so you know who you are dealing with, see above.

    It should be mentioned that there are a few legitimate companies selling refurbished electronics from China. These can be cheap, but for good reasons, and there might be quality issues that you need some proper commercial due diligence to deal with. And this article mostly applies to mainland China, Hong Kong is a different story.

    Another type of scam that is quite common in many places in China is sometimes known as the "Guilin scam". The general idea is that they make a large order with a foreign company, and invite them to China to sign the contract. The victim is then expected to pay for various gifts, hotel bills, upfront fees (notary fees) etc... before the contract can be signed. It is not common Chinese business practice to insist on a personal meeting in China, nor are notary fees, both of these should be considered red flags. For more information on this type of fraud please read here:
    http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=10377
    http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...ad.php?t=23574
    http://www.onejerusalem.com/2007/05/...-youlianshiye/

    But the fact is, beyond the obvious scammers and counterfeiters, there is no easy way to check out a Chinese company unless you speak Chinese. Even real Chinese companies will often use Western Union or MoneyGram for smaller payments, and use free email addresses, for example. Scammers (and counterfeiters) will invariably only offer WU, MG and a personal bank account for payment methods, some also have PayPal. Real companies should have a company bank account and will also accept L/C. But there are exceptions to this, and these complexities of international trade is not something we are qualified to enlighten you on.

    Recovering money lost to fraud in China is very difficult, just like anywhere else. You would need to report it in person to the police there, or hire a legal representative, which won't be worth it unless you lost more than at least a few thousand dollars. Here you can find some advice from a Chinese lawyer. If you paid by credit card, contact your credit card company to see if you can do a chargeback. You may be able to get refunded through PayPal if you file a dispute with them but note that PayPal will not refund you if they can't recover any money from the scammer, and often the scammer will be quick to withdraw it. You should not consider PayPal a safe payment method outside of eBay.

    B2B sites like TradeKey.com, Alibaba.com, EC21.com all have some sort of paid members who are verified in various ways. For your own safety you should not assume that this means anything at all, especially if they joined the site very recently. And especially if they are selling cheap branded electronics, there is always very good reason to be suspicious as its not unusual for scammers to be paid members on these sites. If you read the terms & conditions, disclaimers etc... on the sites you will most likely find that they do not make any guarantees that a paid member is legitimate or supplies authentic products. If you intend to start a business it can be a good idea to start reading the fine print. The practice of phishing is also not unheard of, you have to be sure you are dealing with the real company and not some scammer who stole their password.

    For more information the following sites may be of interest to you:
    http://www.buyusa.gov/pittsburgh/chinascam.html
    http://firetrust.com/en/blog/chris/s...bsite-in-china
    http://www.thewholesaleforums.co.uk/...g-chinese.html
    http://resources.alibaba.com/discuss..._Diligence.htm
    http://www.smartchinasourcing.com/su...due-dilli.html

    /Jonas Anderson
    ©Copyright 2007 - FraudWatchers.org
    Last edited by scamtracer; 03-11-2010 at 08:08 AM.

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    Pseudo Chinese Sites

    Many Chinese sites aren't really chinese once a little research is done on the site.

    Many are set up by forigeners and enticing Victims who thinks that China

    sells cheap goods since it is a major manufacturer of electronics, apparel, etc

    Here is a sample.

    Looks and Feel like a Chinese Site.

    Site http://ele-sale.com
    Domain ele-sale.com
    Netblock owner GoDaddy.com, Inc.
    IP address 97.74.215.97
    Country US
    Nameserver dns1.name-services.com
    Date first seen November 2009
    DNS admin info@name-services.com
    Reverse DNS p3nw8sh102.shr.prod.phx3.secureserver.net
    Nameserver Organisation eNom, Inc.

    Abuse Handles: abuse@godaddy.com, abuse@enom.com. Not Chinese at all.

    Registration Service Provided By: xiaochengli

    Contact: lixiaocheng6@gmail.com - Not a very mainland Chinese name

    Domain name: ele-sale.com

    Administrative Contact:
    xiaochengli
    xiaocheng li (lixiaocheng6@gmail.com) - Gmail???
    +1.55645672666 - US Number??
    Fax: +1.5298655556
    20# Yizu, Wenjiagou, Baoxiazhen
    Hometown, NY 89203 - NY is not in China, Bogus Addy
    US

    Technical Contact:
    xiaochengli
    xiaocheng li (lixiaocheng6@gmail.com)
    +1.55645672666
    Fax: +1.5298655556
    20# Yizu, Wenjiagou, Baoxiazhen
    Hometown, NY 89203
    US

    Registrant Contact:
    xiaochengli
    xiaocheng li (lixiaocheng6@gmail.com)

    Fax:
    20# Yizu, Wenjiagou, Baoxiazhen
    Hometown, NY 89203
    US

    Status: Active

    Name Servers:
    dns1.name-services.com
    dns2.name-services.com
    dns3.name-services.com
    dns4.name-services.com
    dns5.name-services.com

    Creation date: 25 Sep 2009
    Expiration date: 25 Sep 2010

    *Note ( Name and Such )

    The Name lixiaocheng:

    Li Xiao Cheng isn't very chinese as it is partial 'PinYin' with the usage of the word Xiao.

    Li is a mainland chinese family name and Cheng is an overseas chinese useage.

    China is using PinYin or new abbreviated form.

    The name is Partial Old standards and new abbreviated form.

    The costs of Chinese Registrars are about 30% of US and Server Space likewise.
    I tego arcana Dei !

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    Emails and Phone Numbers Used by Electronic Good Scammers

    This is a list of email addresses used by electronic goods scammers. If you come across an advertisement using one of these emails, its a scam. This is in now way a comprehensive list! Moreover, any advertisement, email or website from an individual or company that requires payment via Western Union and/or Money Gram or Bank to Bank transfer should be treated as it if were a scam. In almost all cases, it is. Additionally, any UK phone number which begins with 44 70_ is a global forwarding number, i.e., the person is not in the UK. See: http://www.fraudwatchers.org/forums/...w_personal_nos This list may be duplicative:

    applemobilestore@live.com
    mobilemix@hotmail.com
    iphonemobilestore@yahoo.com
    applemobilestore@gmail.com
    [phone2phonebusinessltd@hotmail.com]
    electronicltds@live.com
    newstoreltds@gmail.com
    mobile2webltd@hotmail.com
    mobile2webltd@ymail.com
    mobile2webltd@yahoo.com
    mobile2webltd@gmail.com
    ryanco78@gmail.com
    mobile2weblimited@hotmail.co.uk
    bazarltd01@gmail.com
    telcomltduk1@hotmail.com
    turionservice@yahoo.com
    Luismaurino.philip@yahoo.com
    mobile2electronics@hotmail.com
    musicalbondltd@hotmail.com
    mobile2ukltd@hotmail.com
    jbllimited01@gmail.com
    jbllimited@live.com
    onemanphone03@hotmail.com
    onemanphone03@gmail.com
    telsalesmanager@hotmail.com
    telsalesmanager@live.com
    Salesdirect112@gmail.com
    Alloy_mobile@yahoo.com
    bhatti@hotmail.com
    fareedbha@yahoo.com
    gtsmobilestore@live.com
    Allimstore@yahoo.com
    Shopping_camera@hotmail.com
    stefanmicheal@hotmail.com
    mobile2sell@hotmail.com
    patrovmobileltd01@gmail.com
    +447024024842
    +447045715719
    +447024081877
    +447045719819
    +447035986799
    +447011173008
    +447023045950
    +447035986799
    +447031825206‬
    +447045731203
    +447031844991
    +447024071673
    +447024073505
    +447011131166
    +447011137795
    +447011183797
    +447011137221
    +447024094651
    +447035999690
    +447024096397
    +447024038165
    +447024035992
    +447011137795
    +4470254456868
    +447024074657
    +447024027340
    Last edited by mysteryquest; 11-10-2010 at 05:44 PM.

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    I have here lost money

    FRAUD !!!!!! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION!

    I have here lost money!


    Total Amount: Euro €:344.9

    http://www.mtzq.hk/productinfo.asp?id=1127

    THE ORIGINAL TEXT IS FROM THE E-MAIL CORRESPONDENCE

    Hello dear :
    Thanks for your kindly reply
    Would you pls tell us that did you transfer with our company's name on the bill?
    If yes.Pls transrfer with still our bank details but do not transfer with our company's name.it
    is our real account and company's name.but if go with our company's name.we will have to
    pay alot tax to GOV.that will make us lose on the deal.
    So pls just transfer our account details
    If not,pls also chcek the details again if there anything wrong with the transfer:

    Our Payment method wire:

    Bank Transfer
    Bank name: Bank of China Beijing Branch
    Address: NO.5,Fuxue Road, Changping District ,Beijing 102200 China
    A/C holder's name: GAO QIAN
    A/C No.: 4340103-0188-088541-6
    Swift code: BKCH CN BJ 110
    Holder’s address:10#2th,ZhongGuanCun,Haidian District,Beijing,China

    Looking forward to hear from you soon
    Viv

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    27 de Setembro de 2010, 12:39

    Dear:
    Thanks for your kindly reply
    Here is the problem:
    Bank Transfer
    Bank name: Bank of China Beijing Branch
    Address: NO.5,Fuxue Road, Changping District ,Beijing 102200 China
    A/C holder's name: GAO QIAN
    A/C No.: 4340103-0188-088541-6
    Swift code: BKCH CN BJ 110
    Holder’s address:10#2th,ZhongGuanCun,Haidian District,Beijing,China

    The red one its the address for the transfer to the Bank.the Gray one its our companys local address.
    So we will check it tomorrow again,and if still not here pls ask your local bank to change the address to the bank's one(Red one)

    Looking forward to do long team biz together

    Viv

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

    , 27 de Setembro de 2010, 5:50

    Dear:
    Hows your weekend?we are sure you've have a great rest time with your lovely family!
    We did check the bank today again but untill now it still didnt arrives.so we checked the copy of bill.the problem we thought its the address:
    the Bank's address: NO.5,Fuxue Road, Changping District ,Beijing 102200 China
    So Pls change the details to the right one,that we can be sure recieve it soon,cause right now we both believe that the payment its here in china.but we can not recieve it until the info its right.
    So we are looking forward to hear from you soon
    Viv

    xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx
    Hello dear :
    Thanks for your Order and supporting!we will offer you the best quanlity and best service.
    This is the details: 1 unit of Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop:Germany
    system and keyboard(No. :20100)
    The total price is Euro 344.9 ,including packing,shipping,insurance and formal invoice price.
    Delivery carrier via DHL,it'll take only 4-5 working days,that you can recieve the Package.


    MeiHao.HK Electronic Business Trade Co.,Ltd
    NO.12,GEXIAN ROAD YINAN INDUSTRIAL PARK,YIWU CITY,ZHEJIANG PROV
    TEL:0086-015210371798 FAX:0086-579-8771579
    订货清单日期:9.15.2010
    订单:201009
    NO.品名数量单价金额重量规格
    1Apple MacBook Pro MB991LL/A 13.3-Inch Laptop Germany
    system and keyboard1Euro304.2Euro304.22.04kg325 × 227 × 24.1mm

    舱储通关类型净重件数序号海关编码采购国原产国
    3421ROJO2.04kg 11084713000AustriaUSA
    数量毛重单位保险运费总价
    12.45kg GEuro 4.9Euro36.76Euro 344.9


    Total Amount: Euro €:344.9



    FRAUD !!!!!! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION! CAUTION!


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    Country: CN
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    Given name: LONGFEI
    Family name: ZHOU
    Company name: ZHOU LONGFEI
    Address: XIAMEN XIAMEN 361004 FUJIAN
    Country: CN
    Phone: +86--5111585475
    Fax: +86--5111585475
    Email: Email Masking Image@163.com
    Account Name: HK2550926T


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    Family name: ZHOU
    Company name: ZHOU LONGFEI
    Address: XIAMEN XIAMEN 361004 FUJIAN
    Country: CN
    Phone: +86--5111585475
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