Mr. Kalman, gold

[MES]

Hi,
My father has recently gotten involved in "Gold trading". He's on the phone all day working on that big deal. Here is a sample of some of his e-mails, I really feel like he is wasting his time but I want some way to prove it to him. Here is a sampling of some of the e-mails he gets. There are many more, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank You

1st E-mail

AU OFFER
5.0 – 4.5%, 3000MT with 200MT tranches

I am direct to my seller mandate that I know personally for 3 years and have closed with him and the same seller. My seller mandate has been in the AU business for 15 yrs. and has had a successful relationship with his seller going on 15 years. The seller has been in the business over 50 yrs.

Current allotment of 3000 MT with lift amounts of 200 mt per tranche or better.
This offer is currently being offered at a 5.0%- 4.5% Discount, if this is acceptable please let me know.

PROCEDURES
1. Our SPA is signed.
2. We set a time at our Fiduciary Bank for the TTM in Macau
3. Both POP and POF or Bank Commitment to pay according to the signed agreement against delivery. These are presented simultaneously
4. Contract commences.

If these procedures and amounts are acceptable we would like for you to confirm them via an email so that we may proceed with the requesting of the spa to you and your company


2nd e-mail
Dear XXXXX,

I have received new offer. With this message I send you sanitized SPA for Gold Bullion (Aurum Utalium) in Bar Form of 12,5 kg, fineness 999,5%, first tranche 20MT, total quantity 1000MT, location HSBC Bank managed Security Warehouse, Hong Kong , delivery FOB ex-warehouse Hong Kong, discount 9/7, Hallmark age less than 5 years for your Buyer review. Please see attached file. If this SPA suit to your Buyer please work in accordance with the procedure. Also we should get agreement by the commissions . If you have questions please send its to me.

I await your prompt reply.

third e-mail
XXXX
i have a buyer who willing to purchase any quantity in Switzerland
the seller have to send to his bank officer MT600 ,then he will deposite the money to seller bank account and close the deal with R&E
noone will fly to USA in order to purchase gold in Switzerland
pls. be noted:4% commission as you write 10\6 is illigal and no respect bank will work it out according the international low from 2008
regards
XXX

fourth e-mail
Dear XXXX,

I have received new offer. With this message I send you sanitized SCO for Gold Bullion (Aurum Utalium) in Bar Form of 12,5 kg, fineness 999,5%, total quantity 1000MT, location Bonded Warehouse Free Zone at Buyer’s Destination, discount 12/8, Hallmark age more than 5 years for your Buyer review. Please see attached file. Please see attached file. If this SCO suit to your Buyer please let me know.

I await your prompt reply.

fifth e-mail
Dear XXX,

I have received new offer. With this message I send you sanitized FCO for Gold Bullion (Aurum Utalium) in Bar Form of 12,5 kg, fineness 999,5%, first tranche

200 MT further lifts to be discussed by seller and Buyer, total quantity 35,000MT, location Hong Kong, Security Warehouse, discount 7/5, Hallmark age less than 5 years, liftable fo your Buyer review. Please see attached file. Please see attached file. If this SCO suit to your Buyer please let me know.
If you have any other customers and you think it useful, please send thшы proposal to them, too. I do not have e-mail address of Mr. Kalman, if you think that this proposal is interesting for him to convey to Mr.Kalman this proposal also.

Also I send the commissions structure to Mr.Kalman.
Total commissions 2% and divided split:
1% go to the Seller side
1% go to the Seller side and divided as follows:
Buyer Mandate: 0,50% Group
Group #1: 0.15% -XXXX (Closed)
Group #2: 0.10% - XXXX
Group #3: 0.10% - XXXX
Group #4: 0.05% - XXXX
Group #5: 0.10% - XXXX

For your and Mr.Kalman informations. Mr Kraus is running tomorrow to NY. Ha has a strong buyers which shows Bank Letter tomorrow in NY. Does this Buyer is a Kalman Buyer ? If not, Mr.Kalman can meet with him in NY. If he wants to meet, he should call to Mr.Kraus today.



and i have a ton more

[Charlie's Angel]

@ Mes,

First of all welcome to Antifraud international,

The quantities that are offered are unreal!
Discounts offered, unreal, as well!

All fake offers, make sure you do not forward them, in some countries making offers of non-existing gold is punishable by law.

[Templar]

He's been taken by fraudsters, and will not let go easily.

[MES]

That's really sad for me to hear. Is there some concrete way I can show it to him? Is gold readily available to buy wherever and whenever? There are tons more e-mails and tons more offers, can some of them actually be real? I really need help, my father has been trying to do this for years and keeps saying that tomorrow the bug deal will come, in the mean time he's running out of money, and I'm scared of what will happen next.
Is there a professional in NY that we can contact to help us out?

Thank You and thanks for the welcome

[snoman_03]

Do a Google search for some of the e-mail addresses that the "gold seller" is using to send these emails out.

The list of results showing how big this scam really is should help to show him these people are fraudsters.

If you are having problems, post some of the complete e-mails with addresses (block out your father`s email address) and I`ll do a search for you.

[Charlie's Angel]

Hi Mes,

If gold trade was easy, we would be all doing it. If there would be any good offers, they would have been picked up, long time ago by the real traders and experts in this businesses.
There is no space for rookies, only to be scammed!

There is such a enormous amount of fake offers, you could fill the atlantic ocean with it.

I am sure there should be more info on the US official sites.

One of the first indications for a fake are big quantities or big discounts.

You can always post the offers on afi, for someone to have a look at this.

[Gentle Giant]

As Charlie's Angel says, you can always post something here that he received. There are some clues about what's fake. And search, search, search. Search everything: email addresses, phone numbers, names, company names.

[magneto]

I ain't no gold mogul, but this thing smells like vomit. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is not how it's done.

[stopscammers]

Beware of this scammer. Name of his company is "Congo Gold Dealer" He has no gold to sell. He's motive is to find innocent people or buyers of gold to scam them out of their money. Do not trust him. He uses Christianity to hide his true motive, but he is NOT A Christian!!He is a Thief! and a Scammer! He holds a Uganda passport. and He works in conjunction with a female partner. He claims to be a part time journalist who needs a second job as a seller's mandate to sell gold. But He has no gold. He will start off by acting as if he can comply with your condtions. No money upfront or no advance payment. CIF to destination. But as you get closer to closing the deal, he will come to you for help to feed his poor family. But it is all a scam from the start.

[scbuster]

every thing in that email is one big scam... the letter was sent to entice the reader to want to ask questions and then get involved in some gold deal. bottomline is that once the reader makes any form of payment. the scammer disappears or keeps asking for more cash. be warned!