Ian David Lazar, Australia



Dear Ian Lazar, I finally found you and want you to remember that you stole EVERYTHING from me! YOU rode into my life early in the year of 2007, riding on your beautiful white stallion, with your slick words flowing from your mouth and made me feel you appeared to be an angel sent from Heaven above.

I felt that you were a gift from God himself when you gave me hope and I gave you what was left of my life savings! I am writing this letter to say “Good-Bye.” I must end my hatred for you and protect myself from your deceiving lies, your false pride and false courage and false PROMISES.

I want you to know the damage you have cause in my life, the damage that has taken me years to repair still even today, and some of the damage that is non-repairable.

YOU stole my reputation when you caused me to say everything was ok to my friends and family when it was not and made you look better, you even took money from them. You lied to me and made me believe that they would believe my words of hope, I didn’t know that you would hurt them.

You blocked the reality and clouded my perception so I wouldn’t realize that they already knew what was going on in my life, that they already knew you had the ball and chain attached and you were leading me around like a lost puppy trying to find his way home.

YOU destroyed the positive relationships that I had spent years building. You took away the only people who I ever truly knew understood me and left me with no one to talk to, and afraid to ask for help.


YOU showed me a path to complete self-destruction and utter despair, so dark and terrifying that I felt I had no other way out except to kill myself. You led me to suicide, IAN! You led me to want to kill the person that I had become so that I could never again be who I once was. IAN, I WILL SIT AND WATCH YOUR KARMA JUST LIKE YOU SAT BY AND WATCHED MY LIFE BEING DESTROYED.


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Why is Lazar’s fiancée/partner Ms Angeline Allem, also known as Angeline Aamariah, still hanging around? She has faithfully appeared at the Preliminary Hearings and all the bail hearings. When Lazar was locked up there were regular phone calls made between the two. As a dutiful partner she should not be condemned for supporting Lazar. However, is there now more to her than this?

Ms Angeline has had ample time to discover who Lazar really is. She has listened to the evidence presented by the DPP. Does she really believe he is innocent of all of the charges laid? Businesses and Companies that have Lazar’s paw prints all over are being registered in her name – see Posts 23 and 54.

Has Ms Angeline progressed from a naive young woman whose interest on 20 August 2013 was to inquire of a Cosmetic Physician that “my skin is always congested, bumpy and dull” and “…my whole life is being effected i feel depressed and can’t complete simple daily tasks”, to an accomplice?

Two depressed people in the relationship. A good match but pity for poor Lazar junior.

Angeline has been called Lazar’s puppet. This was due to her being the sole officeholder of a business, Equity & Co, which has the same Post Office Box 6071 as his deregistered Business Acquisitions Australia Pty Limited. Equity & Co was previously operating as Commercial Diamond Trade, another of Lazar’s dummy businesses. See Post 23.

Other Companies have now been unearthed such as ARL Property Group Pty Ltd with Ms Angeline’s name attached to it.

Is she more than a puppet? Can she now be accused of being a business partner with full knowledge of, and now contributing to, the way Lazar operates?

Dr Henderson is Mr Lazar’s treating psychiatrist. In his initial review of Lazar on 20 September 2016 has said of Lazar “expressing a number of grandiose ideas relating to his legal knowledge and photographic memory.” Does our multi-talented Mr Lazar also have the ability to see the future? On 03/05/2016 there was the third and most recent change of the registered address of her/his ARL Property Group Pty Ltd to Mosman. This last change was two months before Lazar’s bail was revoked and he was returned to Silverwater. And five months from lock up to his successful appeal and release on bail to his current address at the Mental Hospital at…..wait for it…..Yes! Mosman! Dar, dar, dar, dar. Dar, dar, dar, dar.

It was noticed at the bail hearing the other week that Ms Angeline was not wearing her Krupp diamond. The rock was a glaring statement of where some of the money went. There was a suggestion in Posts 18 &19 that it be pawned and the money raised used to repay investors. Could this be possible? Maybe? Nah.

Hopefully, for our couple, it is not stored along with the other valuables in a shoebox in their apartment. We know what recently happened to that Kardashian woman.



Apparently Lazar is still a guest of her majesty as the hospital has refused to have him, unconfirmed reports citing political reasons within the Mosman facility! I could only imagine the drama of accomodating Lazar (they wouldn't have enough vases for all the flowers) and the staffs concerns for their personal safety, I wonder if the hospital is worried they might get sued! Seeing as you even sued your own family bankrupting your former wife! Pig


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It would be good to believe 4corner’s previous post saying that Lazar may not have been admitted to Mosman Mental Hospital, unfortunately, there is no evidence that this is so and contact with the hospital indicates that he is there.

I have received an SMS saying that Lazar’s treating shrink has complained about the recent press his mental patient has been given which is offensive to people with mental illness.

For a moment I thought the shrink was referring to this Forum where some honest, but unflattering things have been said about our little mate. But no, the shrink was referring to Kate McClymont’s article on 22 October 2016 in the Sydney Morning Herald.

This psychologist has the scary job of delving into Lazar’s mind to discover who he really is then trying to change his dedicated lifelong behaviour of, as Senator Williams said, “ripping people off”.

I was surprised as I didn’t remember being left with the shrink’s impression when I read Kate’s article so I went back and reread it. Again, I couldn’t find a problem with what was written. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/alleged-f...et-private-hospital-room-20161021-gs7hw8.html

It is Lazar who is giving people who genuinely suffer from Bipolar II Disorder a bad name by hiding behind this tag.


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What has puzzled me for years now is why Lazar is still here. By here, I mean alive. He has scammed so many people including serious criminals. Why haven’t they done what so many less law abiding citizens would like to do?

This week’s news is the shooting and death of Pasquale Barbaro. He was shot several times as he left the home of a friend on Monday night. An Audi car, similar to that seen speeding away, was later found burnt out in a nearby suburb.

Pasquale was on bail for drug charges. He was initially refused bail and while in jail his then-wife Melinda Grasso was told by none other than our little mate that there was a "hit" out on her husband. Lazar convinced her to hock her Mercedes for $35,000.

Lazar, who pocketed the "protection" money, has been charged with fraud. Pasquale was understood to be required to give evidence at Lazar's trial. Alas, not to be. Hopefully there is still enough evidence for Rocky to be found guilty.

Pasquale had form. According to Police he was "known to be part of the Italian Mafia in Griffith, NSW and to be heavily involved in organized crime including major drug supply and firearm offences".

Pasquale was chasing construction industry figure and standover man Joe Antoun for an alleged $750,000 debt. Pasquale had told associates he had twice tried to kill Mr Antoun. Mr Anton died from gunshot wounds at Strathfield in 2013.

Pasquale Barbaro’s family has a history of violence:
  • His grandfather was murdered in 1990 in a gangland shooting.
  • His cousin was shot dead in 2003 during the Melbourne gangland wars.
  • His great uncle had a leg amputated in 1993 as a result of a kneecapping.
  • His uncle was jailed for 30 years in 2012 for the world’s biggest ecstasy bust.
  • His father was jailed in 2005 for supplying drugs
In July 2002, Pasquale was sentenced to five years' jail in the ACT for possessing a prohibited weapon, armed robbery, theft and burglary.

At the time of his murder, Pasquale was facing the possibility of 20 years in jail over the manufacture of ice.


With such a background that Pasquale had I’m surprised what Lazar did in ripping off he and his wife didn’t have Pasquale sorting out Lazar well before now. A shame.


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Lazar had another bail hearing today in the Supreme Court.

The Hearing wasn’t before Judge Harrison who had disappointingly granted him bail seven weeks ago but it is not expected that this new Judge will overturn Harrison’s decision.

I expect that Rocky has promised the Judge that he has been on best behaviour, been taking his meds and hasn’t threatened to kill anyone lately.

I have no information if Rocky is still in the mental hospital but I imagine he is all better now and this Hearing was to request bail to continue at home with Ms Angeline and Lazar junior. Home for Hanukkah.

These are his Court dates for December:
09 Dec 9:30 am 2014/00320266 R v IAN DAVID LAZAR Criminal Local Court Hearing Local Court Magistrate C Farnan Sydney Downing Centre Unassigned
15 Dec 9.30 am 2016/00195437 R v IAN DAVID LAZAR Criminal Local Court Mention (Police) Unassigned Central Unassigned
16 Dec 9:30 am 2016/00195437 R v IAN DAVID LAZAR Criminal Local Court Mention (Police) Unassigned Burwood Unassigned
16 Dec 10:00 am 2014/00320266 R v IAN DAVID LAZAR Criminal District Court Mention Unassigned Sydney Downing Centre Unassigned



The case against Lazar is that he operated as a shadow director of a company called RSH and committed financial crimes. It amazes me that the court will give him a third chance, allow him to use a mobile phone and a computer. The wife has two companies in her name, no doubt she will be the new puppet for his financial dealings to shield him from his ridiculous bail conditions. I suppose the theory is that if you give somebody enough rope and eventually they hang themselves. I am sure the residents of Centennial Park will be thrilled to learn that Lazar has a new address (an $850 a week dump), no jetty Lazar for all those boats you were gloating about on ABC? How the mighty have fallen. I wonder how long until you conjure up a new pyramid scheme.


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The reason for the lack of information on Lazar since December 2016 was due to a request by the State Crime Command, New South Wales Fraud and Cyber Crime Squad. They had a concern that the detailed information disclosed in this thread may jeopardise the upcoming Court actions against him. I could not understand how this could be, but have respected their request.

Today, 26 May 2017, our little mate was in Court again. He was trying to have Regina pay for his legal expenses in the cases that were dismissed or withdrawn by the Police.

Magistrate Farnan rejected all his claims.


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It has been a busy past month for our little mate.

Date, Case name, Jurisdiction, Action, Location

14 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR , Criminal, Hearing, Sydney Downing Centre

14 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Return of Subpoena, Sydney Downing Centre

15 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Concurrent Hearing, Sydney Downing Centre

16 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR , Criminal, Return of Subpoena, Sydney Downing Centre

16 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Special Fixture, Sydney Downing Centre

17 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Return of Subpoena, Sydney Downing Centre

17 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Mention (Police), Sydney Downing Centre

18 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Return of Subpoena, Sydney Downing Centre

31 Aug, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal, Hearing, Burwood

01 Sep, R v IAN DAVID LAZAR, Criminal Hearing, Burwood
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On 25 November 2015, the Senate of the 44th Parliament referred an inquiry into the inconsistencies and inadequacies of current criminal, civil and administrative penalties for corporate and financial misconduct or white-collar crime to the Senate Economics References Committee for inquiry and report by 27 July 2016.

Submission Number 110, dated 30 March 2016, read -

“Re; Finance Brokers, Business Advisers.

An example of either non compliance or lack of legislated compliance relates to this person Mr Ian Lazar, formally Ian Rogut. He trades under different company names but mostly as a company named Commercial Mortgage Trade Pty Ltd. Mr Lazar is presently on bail with many charges pending. He has been in business for over 20 years.

The question asked by his victims and even in certain circles of the lower level finance sector of society is how is it that this person is able to own and run this type of business for over 20 years. Even after a public examination and judgment declaring that he did not have a licence to practice as a lender (he would use the financial service licence of other companies without their knowledge)

Justice Black: Declared that he (Lazar) was unqualified to practice financial consultant and included many other examples of his illegal activities. However the very next day Mr Lazar continued in business. Court Supreme Court of New South Wales Division Equity List Corporations List Registry Sydney Case number 2011/102873

I am aware of many of his victims who have suffered loss of homes and businesses and stripped of a normal life forever. Families whose property had been valued by a Lazar associate and a Lazar lawyer, promise of a loan, Lazar caveat on the property, then takeover of the property.

On another occasion I met a gentleman who approached Mr Lazar for a short term loan to increase capital only to lose his business and home to Lazar.

Lazar have nefarious cohorts in many areas who share in the distribution of misappropriated funds directly and indirectly. Herewith I point out a side effect of White Colour Crime of a person allowed to operate in the world of finance under the present system of governance. Criminal, civil and administrative penalties for white collar crime

During a visit to the office of Lazar he noticed that I had an American Express Centurion Black Card. Lazar asked to show the card to his assistant in the adjoining office. Lazar took the card and returned it a minute or two later.

On receipt of my monthly AMEX account there appeared 10 transactions on that same day totalling $84000 payable to Northside Storage Pty Ltd. Upon investigation I discovered that Northside Storage Pty Limited was a company I had never heard of but was a storage facility leased by Lazar from XXXXXXXXXX.

My complaints to AMEX did not enlighten me as they could not explain why the charges did not have my signature, which was required at that time, or that it was unusual to have 10 equal debits in the one day to one merchant. Lazar explained that it was a mistake and that he would straighten the matter out with a friend of his at AMEX. He then recommended that I speak to a particular person at AMEX who said that the matter was being attended to.

Without going into more detail this matter brought about the loss of my account which automatically had a detrimental effect on my credit rating. I therefore assumed that Mr Lazar had a ‘plant’ within AMEX to allow this illegal transaction to proceed.

I have never had any business dealings with Northside Storage Pty Limited however that company was the beneficiary of $84k from my account at Amex. I discovered that Northside Storage was a warehouse for repossessed vehicles and for other devious reasons leased by Mr Lazar and managed by his nephew, JXXXXXXXXX.

There are many suffering people who have been duped and had their lives taken away by the actions of this person. His network is widespread and the same familiar names appear over and over.

Lazar has been in business of fraud and asset acquisition for 20 years without police investigation of any sort until recently. Lazar was exposed as a Lender of Last Resort on a Four Corners exposé in 2014. This followed a meeting with Senator John Williams and Mr Colin Dyson, former head of the NSW Fraud Department.

Whether it is a civil or criminal matter there is nowhere for victims to report that which has been perpetrated upon them. A.S.I.C ?? Legal Aid ?? Law Society?? Financial Ombudsman Service ??

How does one who has lost everything pay for a lawyer? And even if a victim does get to court, the court is presented with copies of documents often forged; bearing very well prepared forged signatures, etc including submissions from Receivers / Liquidators which are accepted by the court without question. The fact is the victim has nowhere to go.

If one is self represented in court, then that is another chapter to the drama. There is little understanding or sympathy given by a magistrate or judge towards a person who is self represented. The likes of Mr Lazar is funded and supported by his legal team.

The victim receives a sentence of living a life devastated and bewildered by the injustice of it all. There is no avenue for review. There is a Judge or Magistrate and bring the gavel down! Next case!”


The committee allowed people the right to respond to any such adverse reflections made against them in written submissions. There was no response by Lazar.



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Surprise! Surprise! There have been several more recent attempts by supposed lawyers, supposedly representing Lazar, to close down this thread. They maintain that there is “Objectionable Content” which “poses a serious threat to the reputation of our client and various individuals who work with our client.”

They have threatened possible criminal action by the Australian Federal Police and a claim for unlimited damages by defamation action in the State’s Supreme Court.

“To protect our client’s interests, our client is considering making a complaint to the Australian Federal Police regarding the offensive content. An investigation by them could lead to the filing of criminal charges in Australia and the conviction of those responsible for posting the material. Our client is also considering filing defamation proceedings against you in the Federal Court of Australia. These proceedings would seek remedies including but not limited to the following:
a) damages;
b) the removal of the offensive material;
c) an injunction to restrain you from publishing the same or similar statements in the future; and;
d) costs.

I am not sure if this is a copy and paste letter that, over the years, has been sent out to many other parties. Lazar has a history of stifling all negative press. I wonder what has taken him so long to react to this site?

It is an interesting brief his legal team has been given. For the question is, how can one now defame Mr Lazar? If you Google “Ian Lazar’’ the many pages on him are a glowing reference of a man with whom you would do business?

The following is a limited list of the people and organisations Lazar has threatened. They are only the ones I know. There would no doubt be many more.

1. In 2004 radio broadcaster Ray Hadley and 2GB Station were threatened by the law firm Aitken McLachlan Thorpe for segments and interviews in which Hadley and callers to the programme allegedly made a number of serious defamatory statements about Lazar and George Markos. See Posts 15 & 42 for more on Markos and his deceptive conduct and false representations.

As an aside – on 13 July 2006 Aitken McLachlan Thorpe served a Bankruptcy Notice on Lazar. He owed them around $110,000.00. Lazar tried to include this debt in the millions that he owed creditors and investors when his BA Group of Companies went into liquidation. Messieurs Aitken McLachlan Thorpe convinced him otherwise. Lazar settled on the court steps the day of the Hearing.

2. In September 2010 Fairfax Media Limited was served by Barraket Ronayne Lawyers a Statement of Claim for publishing in The Age, Sydney Morning Herald, The Brisbane Times, WA Today and its associated websites some unkind particulars about him.

Such as:
o That he is a dishonest man who has ruined the lives of investors…
o That he deceived investors…
o That he betrayed trust…
o That he dishonestly concealed…
o That he acted deviously…
o That he falsified endorsements…
o That he ruined lives…
o That he operated an illegal investment scheme…
o That he took $1-million from investors…
o That he deliberately contrived matters so that he received $1-million that should have been repaid to investors.
o He is responsible for the loss of $15-million by investors.
o He made false promises…
o Etc., etc.

Lazar claimed that in consequence of Fairfax’s publication he:

“had been greatly injured in his credit, reputation, and profession; and had been brought into public scandal, odium and contempt.”

3. Adel Ferguson is a *Gold Walkley Award winning investigate journalist for Fairfax who over the years has written a number of exposé articles on Lazar. Adel has remarked –
"Writs are cheap. I had eight writs on the Ian Lazar story. Andrew Wily filed seven. It’s ridiculous. It took over a year.”
.....“You can’t let them intimidate you or else you can’t do your job. It drives you nuts. But you just fit it in.”


4. Mr John Williams, Australian Senator, received threats from Lazar’s Cambridge Law (with offices in Sydney, Dubai, Damascus and Baghdad). The Senator was under the protection of Parliamentary Privilege but this didn’t stop the threats. See Post 1.

5. Ms Fiona Brown, the author of the blog Commonwealth Ombudsmen Misconduct, states that Lazar and his father, Rabbi Rogut, threatened her for publishing a February 2014 NSW District Court decision. This case, Lazar’s poor defence, the Judge’s roasting of Lazar and final the dismissal of Lazar’s defence and cross-claims were described in Post 2. Ms Brown’s email response to Lazar’s threats is worth a look. Her advice to Lazar is very clear.


6. Mr Paddy Manning is an investigative reporter currently with the ABC. He was a former senior business journalist with Fairfax Media. He was also formerly Business Day's national chief of staff, had worked for The Australian Financial Review and The Australian, was founding editor of Ethical Investor magazine and a previous reporter of The Weekend Australian. In November 2004 he and News limited were threatened with libel by two law firms that Lazar engaged, Clayton Utz and Aitken McLachlan Thorpe.

7. Ms Denise Brailey of Bankers & Finance Consumers Support Association (BFCSA) has had numerous run-ins with Lazar. As a consumer advocate she has assisted many victims of white collar crime - particularly in the banking, finance and mortgage broking sector. She has exposed institutions and white collar criminals. Denise is well known to Lazar with his numerous threats and demands to remove the comments in her blog about him.

8. Mr Paul Mendlowitz, author of the blog The Unorthodox Jew, removed his story on Lazar “after a legal complaint submitted to Google.”

Anti–Fraud International (AFI) now joins a list of many that Lazar has threatened.

*The annual
Walkley Awards are the pinnacle of achievement for any Australian journalist. They are the Australian Oscars.


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We should mention two attempts this summer by persons who claimed to be lawyers but very obviously were not. Both attempts were frauds. This was followed by another attempt in September but at least this person was an actual solicitor in New South Wales.


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As March was not a good month for Gaius Julius Caesar, it won’t be a happy time for our little mate.

The Courts have decided a start date and the length of time it will take to hear all the charges.

The criminal trials will run over six to ten weeks commencing 5 March 2018.

Tick-tock, tick-tock… at around $12,000 a day for his barrister Mr Greg James.



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Rocky’s latest gambit to delay the inevitable is to claim he is not mentally fit to stand trial. What a hoot!

It appears our little mate has been taking tips from the lives of two of Australia’s notorious con men and bankrupts. Notably, this country’s once most wanted fugitive, Christopher Skase, and the infamous, jailed fraudster, Alan Bond.

Skase loaded up numerous shipping containers with his personal belongings, antiques and cars, and bolted overseas to Majorca. Thankfully, Lazar had to surrender his passport so that avenue has been closed. Skase resisted all attempts to extradite him claiming he couldn’t travel and stand trial due to ill health.

Christopher Skase.jpg

Lazar has already attempted the same “not physically fit to attend Court” caper. Back on 4 February 2014 he wrote his own note to Judge Gibson outlining a variety of illnesses that prevented him from attending Court. See Post 2.

Lazar emailed the Court:
“My illnesses, which relate to issues with my red blood cells, pneumothorax/consolidation, which is a precondition of adrenal cancer. I also suffer breathing issues which require me to have a major operation in two weeks' time with Dr Paul Gerarchi FRACS ENT and facial surgeon.”

Lazar even had an employee tell the Judge:
he has never seen anyone as sick as Mr Lazar.”

Judge Gibson’s responded:
45 “…...I would have expected to see documentation of a compelling nature from unimpeachable sources, such as a hospital or a medical practitioner, and also that I would have expected it to have been provided earlier than the morning of the hearing. It is a basic courtesy, not only to one's opponent, but to the Court for such matters to be notified in a proper way.”

Plan A having failed, Lazar has now employed Plan B - ‘not mentally fit to stand trial’.

Paul Barry, Sunday Herald Sun, wrote:
“In 1994, Alan Bond was brain damaged and a broken man. The poor guy could barely remember his name, let alone whether he had $50 million in bank accounts in Switzerland. I remember him sitting in the Federal Court in Sydney, staring into space for minutes on end, then turning to his interrogator to claim he had forgotten the question. And now he's on his way to another billion dollars.”

Lazar must now submit to a psychological examination by a State psychiatrist who will determine if he is mentally fit or unfit. It won’t be another concocted report by Lazar’s own psychiatrist and psychologist that enabled him to get out of prison, spend a few weeks at the Mosman Holiday Inn and, Presto! a miraculous recovery.

If fit, he must stand trial. If unfit, will enter a State facility for treatment until deemed fit to stand trial.

Maxwell Smart:
I don't know what's the matter with me. I used to have such a brilliant mind, quick and incisive. Now I can barely remember my own name.
# 99: Think, Max think!
Maxwell Smart: Max! That's it, that's my name."


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I know! In the video Ian always said the financial transactions were so complicated that only he could understand them. I bet this medical condition now is so complicated that only he can understand it!


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Lazar knew he wouldn’t survive in the general population so he has voluntarily entered the protection unit and now resides in the “Boneyard”. Called this because this is where the “Dogs" live. His buddies are now child molesters, child killers, paedophiles and informants. He will not only wear this “dog” tag while in prison but also for life.
Lazar is where he is today at the age of 46 due to poor life choices. This decision to plead mentally unfit to stand trial is another poor choice but his is stuck between a rock and a hard place.

He cannot get back into the general prison population. They won’t have him because when locked up in Silverwater Remand Centre he couldn’t handle being in with the big boys. He bailed and elected to join the outcasts of paedophiles, child killers and informants in protective custody. They also don’t want him as ,while there, he was bashed, threatened with a knife on two occasions and regularly taunted into fighting other inmates. He ended up in ‘protection’ within a mental health pod of the prison with four guards with him whenever he moved around.

At the Court appearances last week where he claimed to be ‘mentally unfit to stand trial’ he had none of the fan club to support him. A forlorn figure. Usually there is the Mrs and her sister there to hold his hand.

So, where to now? Unwanted, unloved, misunderstood and with his prodigious talents unappreciated. In the words of that nice person, but questionable singer, Kamahl - “Why are people so unkind?”

The Department of Public Prosecutions (DPP) are delighted with his decision to plead mentally unfit and so are the Police. If Lazar does succeed it will be their (the State's) call as to if, and when, he is fit. If deemed unfit, he will enter a State facility for treatment. They have him. A rat caught in his own trap (allegedly).


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In our criminal justice system it would be considered wrong to try, and to convict a person while he was unable to understand the Court proceedings. If, due to a mental disorder, he is not able to defend himself, he will be found Unfit to Stand Trial. At this stage he is normally put into a mental hospital indefinitely, even if he is not dangerous and may never have committed the offence with which he is charged.

Early in my life I had the opportunity to observe the method of treatment for the criminally insane at the 300 bed, maximum security forensic mental health care unit called Oak Ridge, in the town of Penetanguishene, Ontario, Canada.

There were various treatments used. Previously, electroshock therapy took about five staff to hold the patient down and fractures were caused in up to 30% of the patients. Later they were able to prevent fractures by the introduction of a muscle relaxant. The muscles were paralysed during the convulsion and breathing was supported by oxygen under pressure. Combined with a brief anaesthetic; the fractures stopped.

Ian, at now 46 years old, you were born too late and would have missed out on the electroshock therapy without the muscle relaxant. You may have, sadly, missed out on the lobotomies but I know you would have loved one of the other treatments.

It involved breaking down the patient’s personality they were born with and had developed throughout their life. It was then rebuilt so that the new personality was not a threat to society. The good bit for you was in the way they achieved this by administering to patients the mind altering hallucinogenic drugs, mescaline and lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) - better known as magic mushrooms and acid.

"To fathom hell or soar angelic, you'll need a pinch of psychedelic."

Participation in the programme was voluntary, or not, and this also was mind blowing because how voluntary was a patient’s permission when he had been declared insane?

Behaviour modification also incorporated techniques such as psychological learning theory - the use of carrots and sticks. The patients were divided up into community groups. The responsibility for the parameters of the treatment program was given to the patients themselves and it was the patients in the group that determined the rewards or punishments. This forced patients to get along with one another and be honest in their sessions otherwise the others would vote to have the offender “punished”. No whips involved just a withdrawal of privileges.

Judging by the esteem Lazar’s fellow inmates in Silverwater held him, he would have been in a fine pickle.

Lazar pleading unfit to stand trial is an interesting ploy. He, like the patients at Oak Ridge, has not been found guilty of the offences with which charged. They believed that by entering the programme they would be released soon. But the reality was that they had been put into a mental hospital indefinitely. There was no time limit. And those charged with, say, murdering their mother while in a fit of depression, were not going to be released after a few years treatment even though the crime was an isolated act with no likelihood of it occurring again. After all, how many times can you kill your mother?

"The sword of Damocles is hanging over his head, and I've got the feeling someone's gonna be cutting the thread!"


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In the previous posting I wrote -
“......the mind altering hallucinogenic drugs, mescaline and lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD) - better known as magic mushrooms and acid.”

A correction is needed. Mescaline is not magic mushrooms. Mescaline is derived from the 'peyote' cactus and has similar psychedelic effects as psilocybin. Psilocybin is the key ingredient in magic mushrooms.

I was told they used magic mushrooms. It later was revealed they also used peyote.

"The sword of Damocles is hanging over his head, and I've got the feeling someone's gonna be cutting the thread!"